tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post4442970146132570763..comments2024-02-23T10:53:19.705+00:00Comments on Dare to Know: Update on Public Petition to ParliamentCarlottahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-79453339627088212009-11-18T14:25:02.716+00:002009-11-18T14:25:02.716+00:00Graham Stuart's Tweet:
"As I tweeted ove...Graham Stuart's Tweet:<br /><br />"As I tweeted over the weekend, given the scale of the challenge I think that there is an opportunity for home educators, and all those sympathetic to Home Education, to work together. But I have no problem if it is not possible for some people to work with others, or some would rather campaign separately.<br /><br />Petition<br /><br />A public petition, presented by several MPs (perhaps at the same time), calling on the Government to think again about the Badman proposals, would be a good way (among many) of raising awareness of the issue in Parliament. The text of the petition I have suggested is set out below. As with any petition, if you don’t agree with the wording, don’t sign it. Anyone is welcome to submit their own petitions but it would be best if everyone stuck to this wording even if it isn’t exactly what they would have written. We are trying to win support and awareness in Parliament and want to win MPs over, not annoy them with evidence of fractiousness and division."Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-18444330913568728972009-11-18T08:06:00.936+00:002009-11-18T08:06:00.936+00:00hi Carlotta yes it does allay my anxietes thanks!hi Carlotta yes it does allay my anxietes thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-31984403694514162182009-11-17T20:33:54.366+00:002009-11-17T20:33:54.366+00:00Hi Anon,
The website does now allow you to read t...Hi Anon,<br /><br />The website does now allow you to read the petition before you sign, so I think that problem has now been addressed.<br /><br />As I understand it, the petition wording was sorted by Graham Stuart's office. I now cannot recall where I read this, but it must have been on one of the lists, if it was not on the petition site itself. Apparently this type of petition has to be formally worded, and has to pass muster on various grounds, otherwise it will be rejected outright. Some of the criteria it must meet are listed here:<br /><br />http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/publicpetitions.cfm<br /><br />"I have heard that signing up generates a thank you from an EO trustee and that the page origin is EO owned."<br /><br />I think this was originally the case, but is no longer and whilst EO members are definitely involved..(I have recently rejoined EO as an ordinary member for example), it is not specifically an EO petition and has involved others who are not EO members.<br /><br />"I don’t like the potential inference that registration is acceptable."<br /><br />I do agree that the wording could have been tighter, but am thinking that the overall thrust is clear...we have spent so long thinking about the minutiae of the wording in the law that I think we are hypersensitive to the nuances everywhere, but overall, I think the message comes across pretty clearly really.<br /><br />I think we will have to press this point home with the Tories all over again once they are in power...but but but, the Tories are very aware that the country is SO broke...I think the argument to them will be..."hey, stop a minute. What is going to cause children more pain? Being left to get on with their education, unhindered and saving the country a packet, or else being interfered with and then having to pay back a HUUUUUUUMUNGUS national debt for the rest of their lives. Lets get real here!"<br /><br />However, I think the above is actually an argument for another day, post election, when the Tories will be happier to make swingeing cuts in public services left right and centre.<br /><br />"There is only hear-say to indicate that Graham Stuart MP is anything to do with it. There is nothing on his own website to indicate anything about it. There is nothing on the petition website to indicate his involvement."<br /><br />I gather he has written something just this afternoon...saw this via Twitter, and also on FB..but don't have links to hand...will post them when I find them again.<br /><br />"What’s the sudden hurry? It is putting pressure on people to sign and coordinate before they have had time to discuss and think about it."<br /><br />The Queen's Speech tomorrow..which will probably contain that clause. We need to have as many MPs on board aware of the potential resistance to the Badman proposals, so that we can slow the passage with debate about amendments.<br /><br />"It was said that AHED were involved. Apparently they were not, but maybe members of the list (who didn’t have remit to speak on behalf of members) were? Maybe the same with other organizations such as HEAS."<br /><br />I believe that there were plenty of people involved who are not EO, but am not sure that they saw themselves as representing anyone other than themselves.<br /><br />I am sorry about not including the whole wording here initially. I had actually only seen a precis of what was included prior to posting and on balance that it would work out OK, and thought I would run with it. I do agree the actual wording could have been tighter, but am still pretty happy with it. I think it will do what as much as we can possibly hope for.<br /><br />"There is too much scope for duplicity."<br /><br />Well, I guess you are right. We could all be being hoodwinked, but my guess is that we aren't - at least on this occasion.<br /><br />Am really hoping that the Tories will see that we actually save the country a massive amount of money...and that they should just count their blessings and leave us alone! We can still make this argument whatever this petition says or however it could be misinterpreted!<br /><br />Hoping this does allay some anxieties?Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-24042509602539449092009-11-17T18:20:24.446+00:002009-11-17T18:20:24.446+00:00I’m suspicious for a number of reasons:
The websi...I’m suspicious for a number of reasons:<br /><br />The website won’t allow you to read the petition before signing to coordinate it in your constituency. <br />The page gives no author and doesn’t link in from anywhere that would give you insight as to who the author is. <br />I have heard that signing up generates a thank you from an EO trustee and that the page origin is EO owned. <br />I don’t like the potential inference that registration is acceptable. <br />I especially don’t like this inference in the light of no Tories being willing to say outright that they will not impose regulation. <br />There is only hear-say to indicate that Graham Stuart MP is anything to do with it. There is nothing on his own website to indicate anything about it. There is nothing on the petition website to indicate his involvement. <br />What’s the sudden hurry? It is putting pressure on people to sign and coordinate before they have had time to discuss and think about it. <br />It was said that AHED were involved. Apparently they were not, but maybe members of the list (who didn’t have remit to speak on behalf of members) were? Maybe the same with other organizations such as HEAS. <br />The only info people are working from is a release made by EO on the EO list and pasted wholesale into Dare To Know, and onto other lists. There is no opportunity given to scrutinize behind this release because the petition wording was being kept secret so that people didn’t take it upon themselves to print it off and duplicate it within constituencies without someone coordinating each constituency. Well, that’s what we are told. The release by EO doesn’t give the contentious parts of the petition that have come out on lists subsequently. Dare to Know (which I’m used to trusting and relying upon) didn’t give the whole petition wording, but that wasn’t obvious until I saw the whole of it on a list. <br />There is too much scope for duplicity. <br />The petition leaves the route open for another review. We don’t want/need another review. We’ve had so many. We need to work with the 2007 one. Maybe some research would be useful, but I wouldn’t trust anything from the Government, who are out to suppress and undermine home education. <br />Is it John Holt who said about lifting plants constantly to see if the roots are growing? Maybe research is also intrusive?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-8608529720894499502009-11-17T15:09:18.561+00:002009-11-17T15:09:18.561+00:00Hi Tech,
I have signed up as the person to co-ord...Hi Tech,<br /><br />I have signed up as the person to co-ordinate gathering signatures in my area. Someone else (I think not EO connected) has now set up a Yahoo group for petition co-ordinators where details of how to do it are being thrashed out. <br /><br />I don't think there is anything particularly secretive about it. I haven't been asked not to share info from it, and would do so if there was anything of use to everyone else...Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-44847990038029329722009-11-17T14:17:00.351+00:002009-11-17T14:17:00.351+00:00"I think the precise dates are still being th..."I think the precise dates are still being thrashed out. Will post as soon as they are all confirmed either way."<br /><br />So you are privy to details us plebs aren't then?Techhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05168914848999240658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-62406974879757138812009-11-17T09:56:44.501+00:002009-11-17T09:56:44.501+00:00Glad to hear that Carlotta! you watch them 2morro ...Glad to hear that Carlotta! you watch them 2morro at queens speach its so funny! sit back with a nice cup of tea cherry cake and have a good laugh at them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-23162948737461539762009-11-17T09:06:14.162+00:002009-11-17T09:06:14.162+00:00Ultimately, yes, anon, I do agree!Ultimately, yes, anon, I do agree!Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-26206306976617457312009-11-17T08:54:38.368+00:002009-11-17T08:54:38.368+00:00Who cares what those fools do at parliament we be...Who cares what those fools do at parliament we be taking no notice of them! We just be saying no!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-63175647354574989132009-11-16T15:51:31.387+00:002009-11-16T15:51:31.387+00:00Hi Anon,
I think you may well be right. Looking ...Hi Anon,<br /><br />I think you may well be right. Looking at similar bills and their passages, it has taken longer than they have got..<br /><br />eg: Education and Skills Act 2008 took about a year: <br /><br />http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2007-08/educationandskills.html<br /><br />===================<br /><br />The Education & Skills Bill<br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/4787638.stm<br /><br />was introduced: 28 Feb 2006<br />Second reading: 15 March 2006<br />Committee stage: 20 & 23 March, 25 & 27 April 2006, 2,9 & 11 May 2006<br />Report stage: 23 & 24 May 2006<br /><br />LORDS<br />First reading: 25 May 2006<br />Second reading: 21 June 2006<br />Committee stage: 5, 12, 18, 20 & 25 July 2006<br />Report stage: 17, 19, 20 & 24 October 2006<br />Third reading: 31 October 2006<br /><br />ROYAL ASSENT: 8 November 2006,<br /><br />So took about 8 months. <br /><br />But I understand that it could take much less time..(down to a few months) if we are unlucky.<br /><br />We also have to watch out for Statutory instruments which could be introduced far more quickly and yet could be just as devastating.<br /><br />Even if we aren't unlucky, I think the petition well worth doing, simply so that we can tell the next government what we think of these ridiculous proposals and the waste of money that they would represent.Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-25709278895730246522009-11-16T15:32:35.225+00:002009-11-16T15:32:35.225+00:00They running out of time to get it though!They running out of time to get it though!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-15256327352161682132009-11-16T15:03:42.722+00:002009-11-16T15:03:42.722+00:00I think the precise dates are still being thrashed...I think the precise dates are still being thrashed out. Will post as soon as they are all confirmed either way.Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-62804807077215136062009-11-16T15:00:16.264+00:002009-11-16T15:00:16.264+00:00I have offered for my area but I already know my M...I have offered for my area but I already know my MP will be hostile. She has already said she agrees with the Govt in a letter to a member of my home ed group.<br />Anyway, Although there have been some questions and doubts about the way this was set up I just want to make sure we protest as loudly and firmly as possible.<br /><br />But what exatly is happening on Dec 3rd? Does anyone know yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com