tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post4045544792750972916..comments2024-02-23T10:53:19.705+00:00Comments on Dare to Know: Meeting with Mr BadmanCarlottahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-50721185186243722162010-11-02T11:24:01.108+00:002010-11-02T11:24:01.108+00:00man that was niceman that was nicedudehttp://www.vocab.homestead.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-79177565118580234412009-03-22T22:01:00.000+00:002009-03-22T22:01:00.000+00:00>I really don't like that "the >sta...>I really don't like that "the <BR/>>status quo must change" thing. <BR/>>Why must it change? And how?<BR/><BR/>`tis worrying. Did anyone ask why?<BR/><BR/>Of course it could just be that the LA's need to know the extent of their responsibilities and powers under the law (which they should, but don't always appear to).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-38392659552571809292009-03-22T19:13:00.000+00:002009-03-22T19:13:00.000+00:00There's a lot here. I need to read it again. I get...There's a lot here. I need to read it again. I get the feeling GB is almost warning us that decisions HAVE been made; but then is he going to force those through or try and mitigate them in some way?<BR/>Taking just literacy-children learning to read; the govt policy on this runs diametrically opposed to the research. The Govt push and force children as young as 3 to start learning to read while the research shows children learn better on the whole if left until they are 7. Okay so my 6yr old is reading very well-that's him. His sister wont be(as far as I can see) and his older brother was so damaged by school he could barely read at 14. So baring in mind all these differences on ONE family-how are they going to impose a system on all EHE families?<BR/><BR/>I really don't like that "the status quo must change" thing. Why must it change? And how?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-68410632676826720102009-03-21T08:44:00.000+00:002009-03-21T08:44:00.000+00:00Thanks.In that Popper quote, I think he means most...Thanks.<BR/><BR/>In that Popper quote, I think he means most children need to be taught to read (meaning they won't figure it out all by themselves, they'll need some help), rather than that most children need to be forced to read against their will.<BR/><BR/>One piece of evidence for this interpretation is that Popper is expressing gratitude rather than resentment. And "some children do not even need to be taught in order to learn these" refers to a capability of some children to learn these things on their own; it wouldn't make sense as a statement that some children can want to be taught to read without being forced into it.<BR/><BR/>The summary "Popper had said that children do need to be able to read and write, and that from that point on, children could be helped to pursue whatever interests they have." refers to the idea that children must be forced to read, whether they hate it or not. It's not an accurate statement of what Popper said.<BR/><BR/>Not being able to tell the difference between a person who is advocating force, and a person who isn't, is a common feature of Government agents and of socialists.Elliothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17472135050734758065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-82792557787973562962009-03-21T07:47:00.000+00:002009-03-21T07:47:00.000+00:00Hi Elliot,Thanks for making me search my memory an...Hi Elliot,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for making me search my memory and check my sources. It is something I have held to be true for some time, but when you asked, I realised I couldn't remember where I had read it. I think this is probably what I was recalling:<BR/><BR/>http://www.takingchildrenseriously.com/the_education_of_karl_popper<BR/><BR/>"On the subject of learning to read, Popper says: “I shall be for ever grateful to my first teacher, Emma Goldberger, who taught me the three R's. They are, I think, the only essentials a child has to be taught; and some children do not even need to be taught in order to learn these. Everything else is atmosphere, and learning through reading and thinking.”Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-75837746179331042662009-03-21T06:37:00.000+00:002009-03-21T06:37:00.000+00:00Hi Maire,Yes, the fact that Mr B said that the sta...Hi Maire,<BR/><BR/>Yes, the fact that Mr B said that the status quo cannot remain seemed to conflict with the idea that he hadn't made up his mind yet, but hey ho. <BR/><BR/>I guess the clamour that the LAs are making is just too much for the DSCF to bear any longer, but I do think that the DCSF should realise that they must not bend to such calls, for if you were to give every authority the powers they crave, you would have no form of freedom left in this country.Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-41545632036895653412009-03-21T06:33:00.000+00:002009-03-21T06:33:00.000+00:00Hi Dani, I do think that autonomous HE is under co...Hi Dani, <BR/><BR/>I do think that autonomous HE is under considerable threat one way or another. Even if a strict curriculum isn't imposed, the emphasis that we find in the new CME guidelines upon LAs assessing for the suitability of ed provision will mean that autonomously educating families will be constantly anxious about whether their chosen form of education will be understood. <BR/><BR/>I suppose this might not seem vastly different from the problems we have now, but I do envisage that it will get worse in that no families will be just left alone, that checks will happen more frequently and more intensively.<BR/><BR/>Calls for training of LA personnel are all very well, but I do wonder if they can ever hope to work for AEors. If you take someone who has been buried in the school model for all of their young and then professional lives, and they have no reason to try to attempt to understand other forms of educational provision, why would they really bother? <BR/><BR/>Even given my own incentives for understanding AE, (my son clearly thrived on it, even when I disapproved of it), I remember my own resistance to the idea that coercion was essentially inimicable to learning. People like Elliot who comments below, had to explain it to me over and over, and I resisted the idea even when I started to realise that my criticisms weren't cogent. What hope will there be for someone who has no real reason to understand?<BR/><BR/>Ho hum. <BR/><BR/>I will continue to try to put the argument for AE one way or another though as at this stage, I don't think there is anything else I can do, and well, you don't know, it might work.Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-25118451673340870102009-03-21T01:19:00.000+00:002009-03-21T01:19:00.000+00:00> He asked about my personal reasons for HEing ...> He asked about my personal reasons for HEing and my philosophical inspiration. I told him that my theories were inspired by Karl Popper. Mr Badman, who clearly knows his stuff, knew that Popper had said that children do need to be able to read and write, and that from that point on, children could be helped to pursue whatever interests they have.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Where did Popper say that?Elliothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17472135050734758065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-33440780903000370842009-03-20T23:16:00.000+00:002009-03-20T23:16:00.000+00:00Thank you for sharing your perspective--it's so va...Thank you for sharing your perspective--it's so valuable for those of us who weren't there. Information makes things a lot less scary (for the time being anyway!). :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-69344529969903229252009-03-20T22:12:00.000+00:002009-03-20T22:12:00.000+00:00thanks for this, it is very worrying that the stat...thanks for this, it is very worrying that the status quo is out of the question. I wonder why?Mairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00516412983740136098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-11454755403585128682009-03-20T19:34:00.000+00:002009-03-20T19:34:00.000+00:00Thanks for this report Carlotta.What are your feel...Thanks for this report Carlotta.<BR/><BR/>What are your feelings now about the likely outcome of this process?<BR/><BR/>I agree that the Tasmanian model is no good for AE. <BR/><BR/>Also that your final point is the crucial one - we must keep our freedom to choose AE if it is right for our families. There is no reason to restrict everyone's future access to a valuable and effective educational approach.Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948665818523238498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-16684218928874220622009-03-20T18:21:00.000+00:002009-03-20T18:21:00.000+00:00The Tasmanian model is completely unacceptable! Mo...The Tasmanian model is completely unacceptable! Monitoring AND requiring approval, whatever they promise at the start, will be the death of autonomous HE and parental choice. <BR/><BR/>Once there is someone outside your family who has the power to stop you HEing because they don't approve of what or how your child is learning, or just doesn't approve of YOU, then it's all over. Every new government social experiment will apply to HE.<BR/><BR/>It's a nightmare!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-76469840525090645882009-03-20T18:08:00.000+00:002009-03-20T18:08:00.000+00:00Dear oh dear...still concussed clearly! Thanks De...Dear oh dear...still concussed clearly! Thanks Deb. Have tried to correct, but will look again later, when less pushed.Carlottahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-76950365013553056292009-03-20T17:51:00.000+00:002009-03-20T17:51:00.000+00:00You have the information about Ireland wrong. HEN ...You have the information about Ireland wrong. HEN Ireland is a home-ed organisation for the *Republic of Ireland*, not Northern Ireland. There are currently no legislated or agreed arrangements for monitoring in Northern Ireland.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00221599148494338509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-52372058810174124512009-03-20T17:20:00.000+00:002009-03-20T17:20:00.000+00:00I was referring to to concept art idea not the car...I was referring to to concept art idea not the cartoon, I hadn't seen Leo's second post!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-85905690748406001162009-03-20T17:14:00.000+00:002009-03-20T17:14:00.000+00:00Wow Leo that's a great idea.If criticism is not im...Wow Leo that's a great idea.If criticism is not imposed people will actually chose it, it's a good thing if accepting it is not compulsory.<BR/><BR/>"On this sort of topic, he slightly later mentioned his liking for Isaiah Berlin, and talked of limits to freedom, ie: that one should not coerce others"<BR/><BR/>Wonderful!! let's hope he has the guts to put that philosophy into practice. I don't expect it'll be an easy shift for him though. <BR/><BR/>Roxy you have done a great job in trying to express the essence of Autonomous Education. It is indeed precious and must be protected.<BR/><BR/>ElizabethAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-87975959786254680792009-03-20T17:09:00.000+00:002009-03-20T17:09:00.000+00:00Oh, and about that meeting. I have a whole new ima...Oh, and about that meeting. I have a whole new image of Mr Badman:<BR/><BR/>http://www.gwrra-mi.org/Images/clipart/TAZ.jpg<BR/><BR/>Seriously now.<BR/><BR/>Things will not change. Free home education is here to stay and grow. It's the next big thing after mass schooling. Mr Badman will have to understand that the school system can't hold anymore because something better is here.<BR/><BR/>The only change acceptable is the end of compulsory education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-5318803653832959422009-03-20T17:05:00.000+00:002009-03-20T17:05:00.000+00:00Someone link Mr Badman to thishttp://conceptart.or...Someone link Mr Badman to this<BR/>http://conceptart.org/forums/<BR/><BR/>It's an art school online with artists helping one another. A person can post a sketch and have it critiqued. There's also tons of projects one can join and other stuff I had no time to explore yet.<BR/><BR/>The Internet is the new school and he doesn't need to do anything about it but stand back.<BR/><BR/>Libraries have Internet if the parents have no computers at home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com