tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post4248325971826155126..comments2024-02-23T10:53:19.705+00:00Comments on Dare to Know: The Telegraph on the Badman ReviewCarlottahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12686469871331093679noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-86322487040069421422010-11-02T11:19:31.981+00:002010-11-02T11:19:31.981+00:00nice work keep it upnice work keep it upyolihttp://www.vocab.homestead.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-11230976982310312222009-06-15T14:25:35.526+01:002009-06-15T14:25:35.526+01:00It would be entirely possible if the health servic...It would be entirely possible if the health service isn't in the know about the pregnancy and the birth is unassisted, although it would restrict the chid's movements. <br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-13789057087695216612009-06-14T08:05:03.146+01:002009-06-14T08:05:03.146+01:00"people don't register their children'..."people don't register their children's birth if they really don't want to"<br /><br />How can you get away with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-73966564393378815662009-06-13T23:26:18.017+01:002009-06-13T23:26:18.017+01:00Darren,
Registration is one thing, but interferi...Darren, <br /><br />Registration is one thing, but interfering in an educational practice, which is quite possibly superior to the one provided for the average school child, by imposing completely inappropriate forms of judgement and expectations is downright foolish. <br /><br />Personally, I think if the government restricted itself to how it could further best practice (the drop in centres, help with exams and so on) and focused on how to spread information about children's rights and people's responsibilities towards their community, this would bring the best out in every one and eradicate many of the problems. Home educators would come forwards because it would be enriching. <br /><br />Registration will never prevent criminals (and abusers are criminal) from perpetrating their crimes. People still drive without insurance; people don't register their children's birth if they really don't want to, and so on. Punitive action against many innocent people, when systems are already in place to catch those who abuse where possible, is counter productive. <br /><br />Sorry if this is somewhat incoherent but I have not much time this weekend.<br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-63024155247396424552009-06-13T21:52:14.563+01:002009-06-13T21:52:14.563+01:00There are some stats around re. the number of scho...There are some stats around re. the number of school leavers and their 'level of attainment' in literacy and numeracy.<br /><br />However, it just won't apply to schools.<br /><br />TBH I can't see how it could really apply to us either as there are so many arguments against it.dottyspotshttp://www.ninnynoodlenoo.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-92131712931794518922009-06-13T09:39:53.971+01:002009-06-13T09:39:53.971+01:00In reply to Dottyspots comment:
"Oh and it w...In reply to Dottyspots comment:<br /> "Oh and it won't just be AHE that is a risk - children being expected to read at 8 is going to cause problems for quite a few structured HE-ers too (and that being the case where does Steiner ed stand bearing in mind that children start school later and don't begin to be formally taught to read until around 6 1/2 minimum and don't even get me started on the number of children in primary schools that are not confident readers, if they're reading at all at 8)."<br /><br />Do you think this means the schools are going to have to have everyone reading by age 8? Does anyone have the stats on how many kids leave school with low literacy and numeracy ratings? How many leave without taking any exams?Elizabeth (My Reading World)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09878751176756550420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-56399674079314670742009-06-13T07:13:06.429+01:002009-06-13T07:13:06.429+01:00Elizabeth, thankyou for the link. Wow! Hats off to...Elizabeth, thankyou for the link. Wow! Hats off to you for te amount of thought you have put into this. It is going to take me a while to read through and digest your comments.<br /><br />D, you said 'I agree that it would seem reasonable that the government verify that the children have the education to which they have a right, but there is already a system in place which achieves this goal'<br /><br />But the system does not acheive that goal. We are unknown to the LA and have no contact with them, it is unknown how many other families like ourselves there are.<br /><br /><br />DarrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-17736825591280288522009-06-12T22:42:11.125+01:002009-06-12T22:42:11.125+01:00Darren,
I agree that it would seem reasonable tha...Darren,<br /><br />I agree that it would seem reasonable that the government verify that the children have the education to which they have a right, but there is already a system in place which achieves this goal and the proposals - as you point out - do not take account of the variety of educational philosophies that are behind the educational paths chosen by different parents. If the government carries out Badman's proposals, many of the restrictions that make school untenable for a lot of children will be automatically imposed. Children will no longer be able to benefit as much from home education as they should. <br /><br />It is ludicrous to think that parents can predict exactly what a child should know at the end of 12 months when learning and interest might have followed entirely unpredictable paths. The attempt to pin the achievements down might achieve a few ticked boxes (to make the officials happy chaps) but will limit the child's creativity and destroy the pleasure of learning by turning it all into a dull chore - that is to say, by turning it into school (albeit, one would hope, without the attendant bullying).<br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-30746192671453144522009-06-12T20:58:27.867+01:002009-06-12T20:58:27.867+01:00I've written my own little rant on the subject...I've written my own little rant on the subject at http://frabjousdays.blogspot.com/2009/06/badness-from-badman.htmlFrabjous Dayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100553315101394237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-78384846266075282952009-06-12T20:11:48.699+01:002009-06-12T20:11:48.699+01:00I have just read the Badman report and I find myse...I have just read the Badman report and I find myself unsure where I stand on some of the issues he raises. I hope to be able to reach a more informed opinion by bouncing some ideas around with the informed and articulate people who comment here.<br />I home educate my children and feel a great deal of unease at the thought of someone having the right to enter my house and possibly talk to my children alone.<br />We are unknown to the LA an to be fair I like it that way. We also do not sit down and think about where we want our children to 'be' in 12 months time as the report suggests we would need to.<br />However the report refers several times to balancing the rights of children and parents and it refers to rights that children have under law, (was it European or UN convention - I cant remember)an education.<br />There seems to me to be a certain logic between a child having a right to an education and the need for the 'state' to find out if a child is receiving it. Otherwise what would be the point of having the right? <br /><br />DarrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-45007330846753551402009-06-12T19:48:43.463+01:002009-06-12T19:48:43.463+01:00re suing school - haven't there been a few cas...re suing school - haven't there been a few cases of young adults taking LEA's to court over failing to provide a suitable education/identify their dyslexia?<br /><br />sarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-14446702598139322122009-06-12T17:11:54.094+01:002009-06-12T17:11:54.094+01:00I thought just that, Elizabeth. I thought that Bad...I thought just that, Elizabeth. I thought that Badman and Balls got together months ago with a goodie basket of what they wanted (which is anything but good for any child) WITHOUT talking to children to genuinely find out what they want.<br /><br />Judicial review.<br /><br />Class action - I'm sick of being called a child abuser. I am sick of being threatened by these thugs. It's time to fight back.<br /><br />Diane<br />http://www.threedegreesoffreedom.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-64975237100729816342009-06-12T14:51:09.554+01:002009-06-12T14:51:09.554+01:00Hear, Hear, Hear, Hear.
I am absolutely gobsmacke...Hear, Hear, Hear, Hear.<br /><br />I am absolutely gobsmacked by the utter crapness of the so-called review. He could have just written it before the so-called consultation period, couldn't he, and not bothered with the token gesture.Frabjous Dayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05100553315101394237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-64858366533858699052009-06-12T14:47:45.700+01:002009-06-12T14:47:45.700+01:00Leo said:
... [they the public] think more of how...Leo said:<br /><br />... [they the public] think more of how the lives of others should be ruled than how to live freely themselves.<br /><br />Very nicely put.Ron Tomlinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08610801524673227011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-76046549141789477802009-06-12T13:59:04.107+01:002009-06-12T13:59:04.107+01:00I'm pretty appalled by the standard of reporti...I'm pretty appalled by the standard of reporting in the press on this.<br />I accept that the BBC wont get it and will get all mushy over the bullying of Ed Balls but I would have expected better standards of basic journalism from the press-even with the appalling reputation they have.<br />If it wasn't for blogs I wonder how the truth of this review would be getting out there.<br /><br />I have written to Mark Fields and thanked him and asked for assurance that a Tory Government would never allow anything like this to pass.<br />There is some hope that there will not be time to get this all passed through before the next election-but they must think there is to have gone this far. I wonder if a private members bill might try and be slipped through in November.<br />Keep your ears to the ground people.<br /><br />Oh and btw Graeme-I agree with you about curriculum. And my view on their version of sex ed for my little ones? OVer my dead body!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-90787734458672345282009-06-12T13:43:47.347+01:002009-06-12T13:43:47.347+01:00scatty - tbh higher proportionate numbers of HE-er...scatty - tbh higher proportionate numbers of HE-ers being known to SS doesn't really surprise me.<br /><br />There's more than a few HE families with children with SEN/disability. My eldest son has a designated SW, but there has never been any question that my children are at risk of abuse.<br /><br />Being known to SS doesn't necessarily = children at risk.<br /><br />Add to that poorly-informed referrals from concerned professionals such as HVs and GPs who are not convinced of the legality of HE and on top of that malicious referrals from neighbours, ex-partners, family members, etc and I can see how the numbers might begin to mount.<br /><br />Also, there will be a proportion of HE-ed children who at some point in their school experience may have truanted, been considered to have 'school phobia', etc.<br /><br />Well it isn't much surprise really that there may be quite a few in some areas known to SS.<br /><br />However, I reiterate, being known to SS DOES NOT automatically mean that children are at risk of being abused.<br /><br />I'm champing at the bit atm because I'm really annoyed at the inference that because I'm known to SS and HE that my children are more 'at risk'.<br /><br />I've spent more than 7 years fighting under two different local authorities to secure support for my eldest son who has been both at school and HE. Ds no2. just cannot cope in a school environment and the school nearly bit my hand off when I said I intended to de-reg.<br /><br />I'm so very very angry at some of the articles in the press.<br /><br />Oh and it won't just be AHE that is a risk - children being expected to read at 8 is going to cause problems for quite a few structured HE-ers too (and that being the case where does Steiner ed stand bearing in mind that children start school later and don't begin to be formally taught to read until around 6 1/2 minimum and don't even get me started on the number of children in primary schools that are not confident readers, if they're reading at all at 8). <br /><br />Anything that amounts to insisting a particular curriculum being delivered is anathema to me.<br /><br />*Then* there's the logistics of it, I live under a LA that has been severely slammed for its inadequate provision for children and young people. Yet another death has hit the national headlines (under this LA). Where on earth are they going to find the people to implement all of this?dottyspotshttp://www.ninnynoodlenoo.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-14623674720950499162009-06-12T13:32:31.578+01:002009-06-12T13:32:31.578+01:00Yes, I know. But ECM is a byproduct of the childre...Yes, I know. But ECM is a byproduct of the children's rights charter.<br /><br />I think out only chance is if a good number of autonomously educated children, that are now independent adults, speak up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-66004400785547862062009-06-12T13:26:54.289+01:002009-06-12T13:26:54.289+01:00What does the bit about the number of home educate...What does the bit about the number of home educated children who are known to social services mean? The review says that the numbers among home educated children are disproportionately high in some LA's? What does this mean?Rinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619473098124504880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-12190959865105403012009-06-12T13:03:03.138+01:002009-06-12T13:03:03.138+01:00If they implement Recommendation 2, they will be i...If they implement Recommendation 2, they will be imposing a curriculum.<br /><br />"Recommendation 2<br />That the DCSF review the current statutory definition of what constitutes a “suitable” and “efficient” education in the light of the Rose review of the primary curriculum, and other changes to curriculum assessment and definition throughout statutory school age. Such a review should take account of the five Every Child Matters outcomes determined by the 2004 Children Act, should not be overly prescriptive but be sufficiently defined to secure a broad, balanced, relevant and differentiated curriculum that would allow children and young people educated at home to have sufficient information to enable them to expand their talents and make choices about likely careers. The outcome of this review should further inform guidance on registration.<br />Home educators should be engaged in this process."<br /><br />At least, they will be saying the curriculum has to be broad and balanced, which will completely undermine AE, where you can be as narrow and specific as you like, as long as you are meeting your child's a, a, a, and SEN.Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948665818523238498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-77877540373891470632009-06-12T11:17:33.704+01:002009-06-12T11:17:33.704+01:00he did 'threaten' something of that sort, ...he did 'threaten' something of that sort, quoting European guidelines. But no one is arguing about children's entitlement to an education. HEers aren't trying to get them to work in factories or mines or anything. However, it is arguable that an education means a child has to read and write by 8 years old, for example. That isn't specified in children's rights. Education can not be measured by specific achievements at precise ages in that way. There is a case surely.<br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-68621955151740057152009-06-12T11:10:12.507+01:002009-06-12T11:10:12.507+01:00Yes it is. I am not sure if we have a case, though...Yes it is. I am not sure if we have a case, though, since all other countries in Europe already are strict education laws.<br /><br />The government is not imposing a curriculum, so they might state they are not imposing a kind of education, just imposing the right of the child to be educated, which is also in the human rights charter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-9928779941313418652009-06-12T11:01:16.147+01:002009-06-12T11:01:16.147+01:00Please excuse me if I am being stupid but is it no...Please excuse me if I am being stupid but is it not stated in Article 26 of the "Declaration of Human Rights" that:<br />" Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children."Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17538934510535312578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-76243880189252181542009-06-12T10:40:15.580+01:002009-06-12T10:40:15.580+01:00I meant to add that I think Carlotta is entirely r...I meant to add that I think Carlotta is entirely right about the comparison to the NHS. We can sue them for failing to meet their goals, why not the school - now the government think they can decide the content of education? They are going to fail even more children if they make AHE impossible.<br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-61320631925235521582009-06-12T10:38:12.271+01:002009-06-12T10:38:12.271+01:00Good point, Leo. Addressing sympathetic people mo...Good point, Leo. Addressing sympathetic people more quietly to obtain their support might be best. <br /><br />However if people who were failed by school realised they could sue the government for compensation, I think opinion might change a bit. There is an enormous amount of public dissatisfaction with current school standards. If the governement introduce the level of interference proposed by Badman, they will have to compensate the victims of a failing school system. People would be delighted surely to benefit from compensation? They could afford alternative education, time out of a menial job they might not have wanted to re-train and so on.<br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11652148.post-30951228440191846362009-06-12T10:30:14.073+01:002009-06-12T10:30:14.073+01:00D, my fear is that a demonstration will just make ...D, my fear is that a demonstration will just make public opinion worse. Of late they have gone from bad to worse. It's very likely we could attract counter demonstrators distorting our message and violent people that could vandalize property.<br /><br />This is a democracy and the opinion of the majority of people voting will rule and the majority of people are authoritarian and ignorant and think more of how the lives of others should be ruled than how to live freely themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com